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and chuck hagel. and you can not compare the first two to chuck hagel. after i watched the hearing, i remembered the lyrics to a country song. you mean i shaved my legs for this? you mean we're having this huge fight over this guy who cannot even articulate our policy towards iran? >> robert? >> let's be clear. >> this performance was not good. >> two things. i want to go about something that ana just said. if you turned on cspan and hadn't watched tv in the intervening six years, you would think we had 150,000 troops parked right now in iraq. this next defense secretary is not going to deal with iraq and the surge. this was a vanity thing for john mccain to try to prove to a former friend who disagreed with him that he was right on the surge and that chuck hagel was wrong. >> what should hagel have said? what would you have told him to say? >> i think he said correctly, we're going to let history judge iraq, because frankly chuck hagel could have said, senator mccain, i think i might have been wrong on iraq. were you wrong on iraq? here's the question.
and chuck hagel. and you can not compare the first two to chuck hagel. after i watched the hearing, i remembered the lyrics to a country song. you mean i shaved my legs for this? you mean we're having this huge fight over this guy who cannot even articulate our policy towards iran? >> robert? >> let's be clear. >> this performance was not good. >> two things. i want to go about something that ana just said. if you turned on cspan and hadn't watched tv in the intervening...
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everyone's talking about chuck hagel. i think back in their district the intensity, the people who demonstrate real interest, intensity and knowledge about the situation, are they the conservative base? for the most part for someone like lindsay graham, absolutely yes. i think that's key to what's happening here. >> all right, mr. crowley, let's talk some turkey. mike murphy has a post-op in time saying the white house has come to the shaky conclusion that the president's best tactic is continue the campaign theatrics and force the gop congress to bend to his will. he writes the president must abandon the silly campaign 3.0 stuff and face reality and since magic doors one lock the door to the votes "some beneficiaries pay more and change cpi," which is budgetary code for slyly lowering budget increases over time. what do you think of this strategy? do you think republicans will come to the table and say let's put entitlement reform on the table in some sense? >> i think big entitlement reform the republicans are talking a
everyone's talking about chuck hagel. i think back in their district the intensity, the people who demonstrate real interest, intensity and knowledge about the situation, are they the conservative base? for the most part for someone like lindsay graham, absolutely yes. i think that's key to what's happening here. >> all right, mr. crowley, let's talk some turkey. mike murphy has a post-op in time saying the white house has come to the shaky conclusion that the president's best tactic is...
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senator lee bright is the problem for chuck hagel. he is the guy that is maybe going to give lindsey graham a primary chal epg, governor rendell. lindsay graham has been having meetings with the tea partiers, the club for growth. he is intent on solidifying the political base because he is worried about the next election, and if lindsey graham wasn't so worried, maybe there would be more bipartisanship in the upper chamber, and maybe all these legislative -- this kabuk eh dance would never happen brsh. >> that's a hard thinking to do anything about. we had a chance to do something about a procedure that is dysfunctional and basically flawed, and we democrats took a pass on it. i go back to that. we're responsible for this. as to glen's point, glen, i brae agree with you. this was an isolated incident. it's not that big a deal. it's playing out at the same time when you have the head of the nra absolutely delivering one of the most racial overtoned, insane -- >> screeds, i have seen. not one republican standing up and saying this guy i
senator lee bright is the problem for chuck hagel. he is the guy that is maybe going to give lindsey graham a primary chal epg, governor rendell. lindsay graham has been having meetings with the tea partiers, the club for growth. he is intent on solidifying the political base because he is worried about the next election, and if lindsey graham wasn't so worried, maybe there would be more bipartisanship in the upper chamber, and maybe all these legislative -- this kabuk eh dance would never...
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senator hagel is a former enlisted soldier. he understands defense policy and the practice from the ground up. he is the leader we need as secretary of defense. he's experienced by any measure. like many of the people he'll lead in the pentagon, he's earned a combat infantryman's badge. and this is not something that is in the abstract. he has two purple hearts from combat service in vietnam. he still carries shrapnel in his body from his injuries. on any issue having to deal with the u.s. military, i have long valued the firsthand experience of chuck hagel. but this service alone is not are what makes him qualified. he's been a leader in the public and private sectors. he cofounded van guard cellular systems, a successful cellular carrier in the 1980's and 190's. he was president and c.e.o. and the chief operatin operating off the 1997g-7 summit. he served as president of an investment bank and is a two-term united states senator. clearly a qualified nominee. since his nomination was announced last month, some have questioned
senator hagel is a former enlisted soldier. he understands defense policy and the practice from the ground up. he is the leader we need as secretary of defense. he's experienced by any measure. like many of the people he'll lead in the pentagon, he's earned a combat infantryman's badge. and this is not something that is in the abstract. he has two purple hearts from combat service in vietnam. he still carries shrapnel in his body from his injuries. on any issue having to deal with the u.s....
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was wrong. >> what should hagel have said? what would you have told him to say? >> i think he said correctly, we're going to let history judge iraq, because frankly chuck hagel could have said, senator mccain, i think i might have been wrong on iraq. were you wrong on iraq? here's the question. none of that is anything that the next secretary of defense is going to deal with. hold on. let's split this into two buckets. there was the totalally out of context questions that won't bear on what the next secretary of defense will do. he seemed unprepared on the questions that quite frankly he knew were coming. >> he had mock hearings. should he go to the president and say, do you still have confidence in me? >> i'm reminded through weeks into his first term of the obama administration. time geithner gives a speech at the treasury department about our banking industry and how to save it. three weeks into the administration. three weeks into his tenure. the market dropped 382 points. two weeks ago, tim geithner walked out of the trea
was wrong. >> what should hagel have said? what would you have told him to say? >> i think he said correctly, we're going to let history judge iraq, because frankly chuck hagel could have said, senator mccain, i think i might have been wrong on iraq. were you wrong on iraq? here's the question. none of that is anything that the next secretary of defense is going to deal with. hold on. let's split this into two buckets. there was the totalally out of context questions that won't bear...
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had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many in washington are to discuss new wars without even having finished the old ones. libya is braced for fresh on rest the second anniversary of the revolution that toppled gadhafi is being held under the threat of violence security is tight and foreigners are leaving on mess the first protests against the current government are expected in benghazi the birthplace of the revolution former m i five agent an emotion explains why libya has seen any post arab spring optimism destroyed. people have invested a lot of hope in the arab spring i think now they're beginning to realize the harsh reality that a
had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many...
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of course knowing the position chuck hagel had taken before it was also seen as a message president obama had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many in washington are to discuss new wars without even having finished the old ones. the british government's programme of cuts has resulted in a drastic drop in the number of police officers to the lowest level in over a decade and radical reform package has already sparked many security questions or he had a chance to ask m.p.'s on both sides of the argument if the fears are reasonable. in the number of police offices up to the lowest levels for eleven years is the impact of a twenty percent
of course knowing the position chuck hagel had taken before it was also seen as a message president obama had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now...
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of this hour the delay in chuck hagel thorny u.s. defense secretary confirmation which met an unprecedented republican opposition is seen as a push for shuffling his anti hawkish view. and tired of being watched on t.v. c.c.t.v. activists in germany teaming up and take their point against public the violence into their own hands by destroying as many street cameras as possible. international news this is all she was me. under a very warm welcome to the program. twenty hiroshima's that's the international space agency's estimate of the explosive power of the meteorite which shattered over russia's year olds it left more than twelve hundred people injured and caused tens of millions of dollars worth of damage. at the epicenter and brings us the details how events unfolded. it wasn't a bird of the plane or superman but something much louder brighter faster and maybe times of war terrifying because big bright like him shiny across the sky you know blinding brighter than the sun and it was around nine am when the skies were suddenly lit u
of this hour the delay in chuck hagel thorny u.s. defense secretary confirmation which met an unprecedented republican opposition is seen as a push for shuffling his anti hawkish view. and tired of being watched on t.v. c.c.t.v. activists in germany teaming up and take their point against public the violence into their own hands by destroying as many street cameras as possible. international news this is all she was me. under a very warm welcome to the program. twenty hiroshima's that's the...
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secretary of defense demanding chuck hagel answer more questions. and money troubles and a belt tightening during the g. twenty meeting in moscow finance chiefs discussed the possibility of a currency war as well as the ongoing e.u. debt crisis. top news in commentary live from moscow this is r.t. glad to have you with us. picture this it is eight fifty one in the morning in a mid-sized the city east of the urals people are starting to go to work or school when the sky is lit up by a fiery path of the media are about to smash into the earth in the middle of russia when i witness was the canadian hockey player michael garnett who gave a firsthand account of the dramatic arrival. speak bright like shining across the sky you know blinding brighter than the sun and then it was followed by a huge. explosion on board a minute or so later that broke last nearly sank the lake fixtures were swaying back and forth i don't point to when looking out the window when i saw this giant street going across the sky like the tail of the cloud of what what had just hap
secretary of defense demanding chuck hagel answer more questions. and money troubles and a belt tightening during the g. twenty meeting in moscow finance chiefs discussed the possibility of a currency war as well as the ongoing e.u. debt crisis. top news in commentary live from moscow this is r.t. glad to have you with us. picture this it is eight fifty one in the morning in a mid-sized the city east of the urals people are starting to go to work or school when the sky is lit up by a fiery path...
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this hour the republicans are blocking chuck hagel from becoming america's defense secretary. more about president obama's candidate and in just a few minutes here on the program we'll be joined by a reporter in washington about why hey girl is causing such concern. at libya for. three of the uprising that toppled gadhafi preparations includes setting up roadblocks across the country and nato forces gather inside the capital of this us the number of those protesting against the new government continues to rise and so much more after the break. good lumber tour. was to build a new. regime at least doesn't give a dollar amount anything. british . headlines. in the u.s. senate republicans have stalled an attempt by the white house to make chuck hagel the secretary of defense he fell just short sighted to push for more a bit more about him. to give us a. good to see you give us a bit of a background to this why did the republican. bid to be the new defense chief do you think. well those who blocked the vote on chuck hagel nomination this thursday nov very well that he will eventua
this hour the republicans are blocking chuck hagel from becoming america's defense secretary. more about president obama's candidate and in just a few minutes here on the program we'll be joined by a reporter in washington about why hey girl is causing such concern. at libya for. three of the uprising that toppled gadhafi preparations includes setting up roadblocks across the country and nato forces gather inside the capital of this us the number of those protesting against the new government...
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chuck hagel bent backwards to show how mainstream his views are the senators kept accusing him of not being mainstream enough and they kept using the word mainstream over and over again during this hearing chuck hagel has walked back on a number of positions he had taken earlier he kept apologizing again and again and chuck hagel went to great lengths to show that he is in no way going to challenge washington's core foreign policy beliefs as one of the senators put it it was quite an exhausting hearing considering the senators were asking almost the same questions and roughly eighty percent of them had to do with chuck hagel previous statements on israel and iran there was so much mentioning of israel that at some point they were confirming him as secretary of defense for israel i couldn't count how many times he said all options are on the table with regards to iran again and again saying a strike on iran is an option an option that he had previously called irresponsible by the way here's what chuck hagel kept repeating throughout the hearing get the united nations behind you get the
chuck hagel bent backwards to show how mainstream his views are the senators kept accusing him of not being mainstream enough and they kept using the word mainstream over and over again during this hearing chuck hagel has walked back on a number of positions he had taken earlier he kept apologizing again and again and chuck hagel went to great lengths to show that he is in no way going to challenge washington's core foreign policy beliefs as one of the senators put it it was quite an exhausting...
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chuck hagel bent backwards to show how mainstream his views are the senators kept accusing him of not being mainstream enough and they kept using the word mainstream over and over again during this hearing chuck hagel has walked back on a number of positions he had taken earlier he kept apologizing again and again and chuck hagel went to great lengths to show that he is in no way going to challenge washington's core foreign policy beliefs as one of the senators put it it was quite an exhausting hearing considering the senators were asking almost the same questions and roughly eighty percent of them had to do with chuck hagel previous statements on israel and iran there was so much mentioning of israel that at some point they were confirming him as secretary of defense for israel i couldn't count how many times he said all options are on the table with regards to iran again and again saying a strike on iran is an option an option that he had previously called irresponsible by the way here's what chuck hagel test repeating throughout the hearing get the united nations behind you get the
chuck hagel bent backwards to show how mainstream his views are the senators kept accusing him of not being mainstream enough and they kept using the word mainstream over and over again during this hearing chuck hagel has walked back on a number of positions he had taken earlier he kept apologizing again and again and chuck hagel went to great lengths to show that he is in no way going to challenge washington's core foreign policy beliefs as one of the senators put it it was quite an exhausting...
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had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many in washington are to discuss new wars without even having finished the old ones. libya is braced for fresh on rest the second anniversary of the revolution that toppled gadhafi is being held under the threat of violence security is tight and foreigners are leaving on mess the first protests against the current government are expected in benghazi the birthplace of the revolution former m i five agent an emotion explains why libya has seen any post arab spring optimism destroyed. the people who invest a lot of hope in the arab spring i think now they're beginning to realize the harsh reality that
had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many...
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had said previously that there is too much war talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many in washington are to discuss new wars without even having finished the old ones. for british m.p.'s who was stressed or depressed online we got the story of why politicians will soon be getting free mental health treatment without even having to leave westminster. plus a top secret document surfaces revealing his plans for military involvement and money dot com we lift the lid on the plans of the world's most feared terror network. libya is braced for fresh unrest the second anniversary of the revolution that toppled gadhafi is being held under the threat of violence security is tight and foreign i
had said previously that there is too much war talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many in...
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had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many in washington are to discuss new wars without even having finished the old ones. help is at hand for british m.p.'s stress store depressed online we've got the story of why politicians will soon be getting free mental health treatment without even having to leave westminster. plus a top secret documents surfaces revealing al qaeda has plans for military involvement in mali. called we lift the lid on the intentions of the world's most feared terror network. libya is braced for fresh unrest the second anniversary of the revolution that toppled gadhafi is being held under the threat of violence sec
had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many...
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defense secretary nominee chuck hagel will be given another try but only after a week long test of his anti hawkish views our top stories. from the new center here in moscow this is r.t. with you on screen twenty four hours a day people in russia's urals are recovering from the shock of the meteor that crashed to earth in the air on friday the space rock exploded in the sky creating a powerful shockwave and damaging hundreds of buildings including schools. twelve hundred people have been injured as a result of the devastating explosion many of them children what is your position of reports now from the affected region. thankfully the night passed quietly and without any incidents in chile i've instance there were fears that more meteors were going to hit the area nothing of the kind happened but the consequences of friday's meteor are still quite a handful of us not only about shattered glass lots of old buildings were damaged as well like this factory there behind me where parts of the wall and roof just collapsed which is remarkable since we're around one hundred kilometers which is
defense secretary nominee chuck hagel will be given another try but only after a week long test of his anti hawkish views our top stories. from the new center here in moscow this is r.t. with you on screen twenty four hours a day people in russia's urals are recovering from the shock of the meteor that crashed to earth in the air on friday the space rock exploded in the sky creating a powerful shockwave and damaging hundreds of buildings including schools. twelve hundred people have been...
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had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many in washington are to discuss new wars without even having finished the old ones. the british government's programme of cuts has resulted in a drastic drop in the number of police officers to the lowest level in over a decade and radical reform package is already sparked many security questions or he had a chance to ask m.p.'s on both sides of the argument if the fears are reasonable. in the number of police offices up to the lowest levels for eleven years is the impact of a twenty percent cut and whitehall funding to police budgets takes effect which is think more about these. joined by conserva
had said previously that there is too much of your talk going on and maybe by nominating chuck hagel he wanted to play down because too many people here in washington are too eager to talk war just during the confirmation hearing the word war was mentioned one hundred twenty times the word iran one hundred eight times by comparison of ghana's than the war that the u.s. is fighting right now just twenty six mentions of course those are just words but they may very well show how eager many many...
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burke and previously chuck hagel voted against sanctions but today's chuck hagel as we found out during this hearing is for sanctions to those who believe mr haye go was in favor of direct negotiations with iran as he had previously claimed he was he offered a correction a very big one he tried to blur his response as much as he could here's what he said i don't have a problem with engaging i think great powers engaging engagement is clearly in our interest that's not negotiation engagement is not appeasement engagement is not sure under so no direct negotiations with iran here's another example of how chuck hagel had to walk back on some of his previous statements at one time he said and this is become a famous quote the political reality is that the jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here i've always argued against some of the dumb things they do because i don't think it's in the interest of is world and of quote here's chuck hagel during this confirmation hearing noted that i. that i should have used another term and i'm sorry and i regret i mean do your use of intimidation.
burke and previously chuck hagel voted against sanctions but today's chuck hagel as we found out during this hearing is for sanctions to those who believe mr haye go was in favor of direct negotiations with iran as he had previously claimed he was he offered a correction a very big one he tried to blur his response as much as he could here's what he said i don't have a problem with engaging i think great powers engaging engagement is clearly in our interest that's not negotiation engagement is...
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a number of republican senators including john mccain say chuck hagel is not qualified for the job but they indicate that they're going to allow the full senate to vote because what happened ten days ago was that the senators voted to postpone the vote and to continue the debate so it's all likely that they're going to keep stalling the vote over chuck hagel is confirmation and he will be confirmed there's no doubt about that the votes are there but the humiliation that he had to go through during these last few months sent a message all by itself right now chuck hagel is this repenting figure who keeps apologizing for the positions he had taken before for the statements he had made before including that war with iran should not be an option including his criticism of israel's actions and other foreign policy views that he had expressed as a senator the congress effectively showed their readiness to destroy anyone who would allow themselves to descend from washington's core foreign policy belief so despite all the apologizing that mr hagel has done one senator said he almost had tears
a number of republican senators including john mccain say chuck hagel is not qualified for the job but they indicate that they're going to allow the full senate to vote because what happened ten days ago was that the senators voted to postpone the vote and to continue the debate so it's all likely that they're going to keep stalling the vote over chuck hagel is confirmation and he will be confirmed there's no doubt about that the votes are there but the humiliation that he had to go through...
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what are hagel's chances of winning confirmation? let's bring in the washington time's columnist charlie hurt. it's the good old boys club in the u.s. senate. he's going to get confirmed, right? >> yeah. i think that that hearing will go down as one of the worst in television history. i mean, he was unprepared. he didn't know what he was talking about. he state wrong policy at times and then when he did assert things he asitterred things that were pretty scary such as talking about how legitimate iran's government is. as you point out, it is a club and chuck hagel was once a member of the club, and as much as -- >> gregg: he wasn't a beloved member. i will say that much. a lot of people didn't like chuck hagel and he reminds a lot of folks of pig pen you know, in the peanuts cartoon, you know with the swirling cloud behind him of dirt and so on and so forth. here is a sound bite. let me play this. >> my policy has always been the same as the president's, one of prevention not of containment. by the way i've just been handed a note th
what are hagel's chances of winning confirmation? let's bring in the washington time's columnist charlie hurt. it's the good old boys club in the u.s. senate. he's going to get confirmed, right? >> yeah. i think that that hearing will go down as one of the worst in television history. i mean, he was unprepared. he didn't know what he was talking about. he state wrong policy at times and then when he did assert things he asitterred things that were pretty scary such as talking about how...
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chuck hagel will be given another shot of becoming the u.s. defense secretary after the senate returns from recess in less than ten days a stalling vote by hagel fellow republicans saw him fall just short of landing the new job earlier this week and he's going to has the details. those who blocked the vote on chuck hagel nomination this thursday know very well that he will eventually be confirmed as defense secretary there are enough votes in the senate to confirm him but the stalling of the vote together with the humiliating treatment that the senators gave chuck hagel two weeks ago at his confirmation hearing this whole process is seen as a message all by itself those lawmakers showed that they could crush anyone who would allow themselves to dissent from washington's core foreign policy beliefs chuck hagel remarks at the confirmation hearing disappointed even his supporters during the hearing which to many seemed like. mr haygood had to backtrack on many of the statements he had made before including that war with iran should not be an opti
chuck hagel will be given another shot of becoming the u.s. defense secretary after the senate returns from recess in less than ten days a stalling vote by hagel fellow republicans saw him fall just short of landing the new job earlier this week and he's going to has the details. those who blocked the vote on chuck hagel nomination this thursday know very well that he will eventually be confirmed as defense secretary there are enough votes in the senate to confirm him but the stalling of the...
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defense secretary nominee chuck hagel will be given another a try but only after a week long test of. worldwide news live from moscow this is on t.v. with me will receive. people in russia's year olds all recovering from the shock of the hole that crashed in the area on friday and the space rock exploded in the sky creating a powerful shockwave and damaging hundreds of buildings including schools. i am. now twelve hundred people have been injured as a result of the devastating explosion many of them children now it's easy to go to piss going off reports from the epicenter. thankfully the night passed quietly and without any incidents in chile i've instance there were fears that more meteors were going to hit the area nothing of the kind happened but the consequences of friday's meteor are still quite a handful it's not only about shattered go up lots of old buildings were damaged as well like this factory there behind me where parts of the wall and roof just collapsed which is remarkable since we were around one hundred kilometers just or sixty miles away from where the media or fell
defense secretary nominee chuck hagel will be given another a try but only after a week long test of. worldwide news live from moscow this is on t.v. with me will receive. people in russia's year olds all recovering from the shock of the hole that crashed in the area on friday and the space rock exploded in the sky creating a powerful shockwave and damaging hundreds of buildings including schools. i am. now twelve hundred people have been injured as a result of the devastating explosion many of...